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gunsnroses
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 Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject: uptide rods ?? |
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just woundering wat is an uptide rod   |
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rabbi2
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| It's a posh name for a pier rod that is used on a boat for casting uptide of the boat. Hope this helps. keith |
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jimjam
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| theye are rods that can cast upto 10oz of weight so there preety strong |
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mudlark
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| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| rabbi2 wrote: |
| It's a posh name for a pier rod that is used on a boat for casting uptide of the boat. Hope this helps. keith |
That they definately aren't! Just because they are popularly used as pier rods quite a few people make that mistake. Many companies now market pier / uptide rods and that just seems to add to the confusion.
A DECENT uptide rod is a very specialist tool, a fact that soon becomes evident if you fish with a rubbish one beside an angler who has a decent one. |
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rabbi2
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Before I ask I would like to make it clear that Im not being sarcastic but would genuinly like to know the diference between the two as Im baffled. In my day there were no such things as uptide rods and pier rods were pressed into service to do uptiding.
It reminds me of the fact that the old Abu 7000 reel was originally designed as a beachcasting reel but now its classed as a light boat reel.
Who keeps moving the goalposts and why? keith |
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mudlark
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| rabbi2 wrote: |
Before I ask I would like to make it clear that Im not being sarcastic but would genuinly like to know the diference between the two as Im baffled. In my day there were no such things as uptide rods and pier rods were pressed into service to do uptiding.
It reminds me of the fact that the old Abu 7000 reel was originally designed as a beachcasting reel but now its classed as a light boat reel.
Who keeps moving the goalposts and why? keith |
The goalposts never moved. Uptiding has been around for a long time but really only became public knowledge when the method was publicised in the popular sea angling press in the late 60s early 70s. In those early days its true enough that there were no purpose built uptiders, most of those that did it seriously used cut down ABU Atlantics, which had the perfect action for the job; a fine flexible tip and a powerful mid section and butt to give it the power to fight a strong fish in the tide.
Most of the purpose built "uptiders" on the market these days are quite frankly rubbish and take no account of what is required to do the job. Yes they are powerful rods but not that powerful, one of the points about the uptide method is to use lighter, more sporting tackle and to be honest if you need to use a 10 oz grip lead then conditions are probably not best suited for uptiding.
Very interesting that you should mention the 7000. Yes it was popularly used as a beach reel but it was also, without a doubt the preferred reel of choice for most proficient uptide anglers. You used the telling term yourself "PRESSED", that speaks volumes you are pressing a rod designed for one use into another.
The plain and simple fact is that a pier rod is just that, a pier rod and that means it hasn't been designed for uptiding. An uptide boat rod, one that has been built specifically with that job in mind, is a rod in its own right and not just "a posh name for a pier rod that is used on a boat for casting uptide of the boat" as you said in your post. |
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rabbi2
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Thanks for your prompt reply. I look forward to more of your informative posts. It just goes to show that we are never too old to learn. You have got to admit though that the pier rod and the uptider although they dont share the same characteristics, do look very similar. I stand corrected. Cheers keith  |
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sniggle
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| I would think that 95% of uptide rods sold do very little if any uptiding and are basically bought and used as medium downtiding / lure fishing rods .The extra length gives much better tackle control and also more space from the side off the boat when rested on the gunnels .....................When i were a lad the `wizened old sea dog' who taught me to sea fish said "Pier rods are used to catch holidaymakers and are no good for anything , don`t buy it" . Don`t know about modern `jetty' rods but suspect the same applies. |
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mudlark
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| sniggle wrote: |
| I would think that 95% of uptide rods sold do very little if any uptiding and are basically bought and used as medium downtiding / lure fishing rods .The extra length gives much better tackle control and also more space from the side off the boat when rested on the gunnels .....................When i were a lad the `wizened old sea dog' who taught me to sea fish said "Pier rods are used to catch holidaymakers and are no good for anything , don`t buy it" . Don`t know about modern `jetty' rods but suspect the same applies. |
Spot on ..... and thats the difference between a (decent) uptider and a pier rod.
Your right again that they make fantastic lure rods, the fine tips mean you can cast a lure. My North Western 4 - 6 oz carbon uptide has doubled up as a travel rod since I forked out for it in the late 80's - its only my opinion but I also happen to think they are the best uptider you can get - and you can still get them new, by the way. One of those rods that just feels right as soon as you pick it up. |
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