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PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 11:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thats why I thought I'd ask.
If you think about it, whilst clipped for casting, and during the max strain, the 30lb is under the same load/strain as the 60lb.

I maybe just need to stop thinking so deep.
Just for the rec, I use same snood and pulley strengths, because I cant convince myself that I am not relying on the 30lb during the power section of the cast.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:54 am Reply with quote Back to top

i welcome the digression,ok lets look at the pulley itself 60lb shock,clip,pulley bead one side you have main rig body of 60lb other side you have bead then tied swivel (forget the snood for now) this can be cast,if you follow me.there is tension on the snood but this is held in place by your bait clip,so in fact if my physics serves me well,you end up with more than 60lb of main rig per pound B/S as all the wieght and power is put upon the 60lb via the pulley bead.try making half a pulley rig (without the snood and hook) nerd as for the fears of the 30lb its the 60lb that goes through the pulley bead so any strain/stretch will be countered by the 60lb. phew!!! nerd my head hurts now

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:42 am Reply with quote Back to top

Andy.............you are quite correct !!!!.......good man I wondered who would spot that, well done suprise

JOLI
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:20 am Reply with quote Back to top

would it not be the case however that if yu are using a shorter snood length that the snood would take the casting strain. this being the case, tough, you would have the safety of the snood body strength but a weakness in the snood
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

i would have thought the bait shield would take the strain off the snood and any strain excerted on the snood would be counteracted by the main rig body through the pulley bead nerd

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

....But if we are talking about longer main body and shorter snood, the swivel would not be in contact with the bead, on casting, the main body would be a lot heavier and would possiblt slide, therefore putting more strain on the snood....plaus, if the shield is set up using a crimp and bead, would that not create another weak point???.



..... all of this said, i dont think it would be a huge issue if we are talking a 5 oz lead, 60lb main body and at least 30lb snood
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

....But if we are talking about longer main body and shorter snood, the swivel would not be in contact with the bead, on casting, the main body would be a lot heavier and would possiblt slide, therefore putting more strain on the snood....plaus, if the shield is set up using a crimp and bead, would that not create another weak point???.



..... all of this said, i dont think it would be a huge issue if we are talking a 5 oz lead, 60lb main body and at least 30lb snood
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i can just see you now checking out the physics of your pulley rigs big grin
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Look guys go 60-60.............simples, compare the poundagedot.com

JOLI rolling on the floor
 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

joli i know your right fella,makes life easier,stops the worries.

although never had a snood part on 60/30

big grin big grin

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 12:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

YES..........But 'parting is such sweet sorrow' ..........HAVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! devil devil devil devil devil

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

bah my nemesis strikes again rolling on the floor rolling on the floor rolling on the floor rolling on the floor

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hmmmm, I am going to ask Richard Hammond to test this out on that Brainiac program he is on.

Still some interesting thoughts raised.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 10:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

be more fun to get a load of anglers to cast explosive leads at caravans to test the rods....lol
 
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

30lb hook length should be fine with 60lb rig body, bearing in mind that both take the strain together and the thinner line will stretch more readily.
Going back to the original problem of the snood tangling, this could be caused by backwash in the surf, as the bait is dragged around by wave action. The problem can be sorted by remembering which rigs fish better in different conditions and areas, and switching rigs when need be, which is what Andy did hint that he was going to do. Incidentally its worth trying different hooklengths in different conditions as well (longer as the tide slows).
Good luck. big grin
 
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