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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:56 am Reply with quote Back to top

well raised there bucko,still was interesting to see where the topic would lead

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Andy have you seen / used those alternatives to swivels for the 'Pulley' rig called'proper pullys' by 'Breakaway'...........if so do you rate them ???

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i make my own "pulley beads" joli mate,big swivel with about 15mm of thick tubing inserted in the eye,the tube that comes with some bait clips is ideal,i just cant justify the expence of buying proper beads (although they do perform slightly better)

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

excuse my ignorance, but what is the beefit of a pulley bead over a swivel
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

To be honest I ain't got a clue but I just wanted to give it a go and see, could make little or no difference ...........JOLI nerd
 
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

geordiesandman wrote:
excuse my ignorance, but what is the beefit of a pulley bead over a swivel


Having used the 'pulley beaded swivel' on bought rigs, and plain swivels on my own made, the only dif I noticed was price, and they did look 'pretty'. Worked all the same tho.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Oh well if that is the case I won't be bothering then...........saved a few bob !!!!!!!!!! big grin ...............cheers thanks for the info Bugboy daydreaming

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Lads you are making a simple rig sound very complicated.
First of all, the pully bead - The idea of this is to spread the load (lead, bait) on the rig body during casting so all the forces arent on a 1mm wide swivel. I personally have never used them, I use 80lb Sakuma rig body with standard beach size swivels and never had one snap.

Secondly, the longer the pully the more likely it is to snag or tangle so in strong tides or rough ground keep them shorter. Low diameter hooklength is also more prone to tangelling.

If you are finding the Gemini links catch the line replace them with breakaway fastlinks which have no open end to snag.

Dont use Impact shields as these require a crimp above a bead to release which can cause a weak spot. Use impact leads or a lead with a built in baitclip.

Dont get fixated on one system and be flexible enough to try shorter or longer irgs to match the conditions.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 11:18 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Joli-the strain would also be on your pulley length during the cast surely?As this is between lead and shockleader am I right in thinking that the BS of the pulley length must match the weight ie 5oz lead-50 lb pulley length minimum? Also that the pulley bead/swivel and tubing etc are actually on the stronger pulley length material not the lower breaking strain snood length when clipped up prior to casting? Cheers,Mick confused confused
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:43 am Reply with quote Back to top

its great how the simplest of rigs can get so many replies happy ,some good tips there neil.

conga,yes the bead and swivel does go on the main rig body

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/aquarium/diary/rigs/linedrawings/pullyrig.html

this should give you a rough idea of how it goes,together with the tips that have already been raised.

all the best

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Andy-cheers for that,have looked at the rig diagram(picture paints a 1000 words !!)what are the curly green things above the lead for?Also the pulley bead/swivel debate,having got some of each sort the "perfect pulley" being plastic-is it up to the job when wacking a big lead/bait out?Just that it looks a bit flimsy where the shockleader attaches(no metal pin) Thanks again,Mick big grin big grin
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

conga,yep the pulley beads are up to the job,i agree they do look flimsy but they take a good whack (i got some "proper pulley" beads for next to nothing) ive been trying to break one,but alas to no avail so far

all the best

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

in the diagram, as the snood is shorter than the main body, then clipped down, so surely the snood would take the strain as much as the main body, therefore more prone to breaking!!!??
 
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

not had a pulley snap on me yet even with short snoods(no thats a lie i had a snood swivel give on me once),but then again all rigs are pretty much prone to breaking with crimps and things put on them,just as likely for a knot to give out i guess.

all the best

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ps i rarely use pulleys
 
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:56 am Reply with quote Back to top

andy1_i wrote:
conga,yep the pulley beads are up to the job,i agree they do look flimsy but they take a good whack (i got some "proper pulley" beads for next to nothing) ive been trying to break one,but alas to no avail so far

all the best

Andy
They are obviously stronger than they look then happy happy
 
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