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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

When fishing the weekend just gone a fella with a clip approached us,he was from Reading uni with a survey on sharks and rays.He asked the usal questions have you caught any how many do keep or release but then he asked do you use circle hooks.So after he went I thought to myself are these hooks bad for the fish or better for them and why. Can anyone shed a bit of light on this for me please?

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My thoughts are that they are probably better for the fish because they reduce the risk of gut hooking. Instead they tend hook the lips 9 times out of ten. I don't personally use them but I believe in the principle and hate to experience a gut hook situation if the fish is to be returned. In fact I tend to use those hooks where the point is turned in a bit (semi-circles if you will) for similar reasons. I also try to bend the points inward of Aberdeens with a pair of radio pliers if I can.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Don't like em, won't use em, Awkward to thread worms on.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

When i was matching fishing on the humber 99% of people used them. Excellent hooks for flounder fishing as they tend to be lipped hooked as stated. Not as easy to thread worms on as long shanks but well worth the investment winking
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

rabbi2 wrote:
Don't like em, won't use em, Awark to thread worms on.
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Maybe awkward to use , but very beneficial to the fish when flounder , bream , dab , sole etc fishing , keith how do you deal with a gut hooked fish then ?
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

A hook will rust away in a short space of time especially in salt water so I cut my line close to the hook.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

In this day and age suprise , damn site easier and fish friendly to fiddle about threading worms on a hook that you know 99% of the time will only lip hook the fish and make for a comfortable return winking
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Why oh why do they still sell hooks in this day and age that are of the conventional type and why do folk still buy them? I am not being funny or sarcastic but when I see the majority of fisherpersons using conventional hooks then I remain sceptical of the claims made by the circle hook brigade.

I am not just being argumentative for the sake of being right or others being wrong, but honestly I think that you will find that the most members use conventional hooks like thin wire abberdeens for the small species.

Most gut hooked fish are so caught by the fisherperson failing to spot a bite early on so as the avoid the fish being gut hooked, hence giving the fish time to take the bait down.

This is a good subject and well worth debating, I would sincerely like others to put their views across and hopefully we can all benifit from them.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

rabbi2 wrote:


Most gut hooked fish are so caught by the fisherperson failing to spot a bite early on so as the avoid the fish being gut hooked, hence giving the fish time to take the bait down.


absolute tosh rabbit !

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i tested them out once to compare to aberdeens, i had 3/0 tronix circles on one rig and size 2/0 aberdeens on the other, both rigs were single hook pulleys of similar lengths. i was fishing a venue that was throwing up decent numbers of small to medium codling and switched rigs every cast.

to be honest, i didnt see any real difference in lip hooking rates, some were lip hooked with both types of hooks, others were gut hooked with both types. the aberdeens were easier to bait up worms but not so much easier that if it made a difference to the fish that i wouldnt switch over to circles permanently. im pretty sure if i used them more often id find them as easy to bait with as any hook.

ive since switched to an offset hook which im very happy with, i use them in size 2 and 2/0 now for the vast majority of my fishing. the only time i use the aberdeens now is when im using sandeel as i find this the only bait that the offset hooks dont suit.
 
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Come on Lee mate, everyone is entitled to an opinion, after all I ain't trying to convince you or trying to make redicule of your opinion, All I'm saying is that it will take a heck of a lot more to convince me to switch over.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Always a good mix of opinion, I use mainly off set hooks as does redmouse never used the circle hooks but if more fish can be returned with less damage then surley they are worth a look at. winking winking


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

this video is interesting, maybe theres a reason why we dont find circle hooks as good as they do in the states? could it be we are tieing them wrong?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpp7PQ-top4

from what i can gather the circles are good for a fish that will grab a bait and go, like bass, smoothies or codling. the likes or rays and flats like to munch the food/bait and then go so it might not matter what kind of hook your using, if they are gonna swallow the hook, it doesnt matter what kind it is.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

im no expert but what i can say from ny own expireance over the last 5 months is that my hook up rate using size 1 circle hooks apose to size 1 aberdens is far better for bream fishing of the southeast coast . i have not really found that much differance for other sizes and speices .
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Coming from a Carp fishing background that started in the early 80`s I can remember when the Bolt rig first hit the scene. Prior to the rise of electronic alarms and the use of the afore mentioned Bolt rig it was an un-avoidable fact that if you intended to fish through the night then it was necessary to be "on the rod/rods all night, if you fell asleep the odds are that you would have missed the fish all together or that the fish would swallow the bait and be gut hooked.....a disaster, at that time a 20lb fish was huge, nobody wants to be responsible for the death of a fish if it can be avoided irrespective of size. Then came the bolt rig.....a heavy fixed lead and a short hooklength. As soon as the fish picked up the bait, due to the short hooklength, it was pricked by the hook and spooked the fish would bolt, the heavy lead would then set the hook as it was "fixed". Not only was the number of hookups vastly improved it resulted in the number of deep hooked fish falling dramaticlly. Would some variation on this theme or just scaling the rig up to suit the size/species of fish sought be a solution to the problem? In fact to anyones knowledge has it been tried? I`m a total newbie to beach fishing for all I know this approach may have been tried......I thought the issue raised in the earlier posts worthy of discussion and would like to see other peoples views on the matter.
 
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