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flynnboy
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:43 am Reply with quote Back to top

Hi Guys

I have recently become aware of 'shockleaders' and I understand they are quite important ?

Could someone talk me through how I set up a 'shockleader' e.g. if I have a 15lb bs line what bs should the SL be and how long ?

If I have the SL and I attach a leader to it with a lure on the end what should the bs of the lure leader be relative to the SL and the main line ????

I currently have STREN line and I don't like it. It seems to tie itself in an awful lot of wind knots and birds nests. Can you recommend any line that is less prone to this ?

Thanks for all advice

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:40 am Reply with quote Back to top

Hi FB, the shockleader should be 10lbs BS, for each ounce of weight, ie 50z weight = 50lb line. Anything you attach to this should be the same breaking strain unless you reduce the weight, for instance a rig of 30lb BS with a 3oz weight. The lengh should be the lengh of the rod + around 6 turns on the spool and 3 to 4 foot extra. I cant help with the line, i use 80lb braid. Cheers..Mick
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:50 am Reply with quote Back to top

As mick says, for every oz of weight you need 10lb shockleader, so if you use 6oz weight then the shockleader shold be 60lb breaking strain.

Dont forget to use this formula if and when you make up your own terminal tackle.
Cheers keith big grin big grin
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:56 am Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks guys, but........ more questions batting eyelashes

Someone else has said 10lb per oz + another 10 ?

So, if your main line is say 40lb and you are casting with a 2oz weight the shockleader should be 20lb despite the fact it is less than the the bs of the mainline ? If this is the case is the 2olb bs against the 40lb bs of the mainline still going to be a 'shock'leader ???

Just what exactly does the shockleader do ???????

Sorry for all of the questions

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:02 am Reply with quote Back to top

If you were using say 40lb mainline with a weight of less than 40z then I myself would not use a shockleader at all.

The purpose of a shockleader it to take the force of your cast if you were to use 15lb mainline and a 5 oz weight then you would be putting the public at risk from flying lead as well as loosing you end tackle.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:29 am Reply with quote Back to top

Ah, okay. So, if the weight of the shockleader based upon the lead sinker is calculated at LESS than the mainline there is no need for a shockleader?

Have I got it !?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

You got it mate.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I only use Sufix Surf 80lb Shockleader. It is very strong and is only 0.75 which means if has the same knot size as other 60lb leaders.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

flynnboy wrote:
Thanks guys, but........ more questions batting eyelashes

Someone else has said 10lb per oz + another 10 ?


FB


do you not trust me flynnboy?? happy happy happy happy

thats just what i was told and what i stuck to. i use 50 or 60lb leader depending on what they have in the shop and which works out cheaper per yard when im buying it. i rarely go higher than a 5oz lead, usually 3oz grippers.
most of my fishing is for Bass where im only lobbing the trace out 30-40 yards so id probably get away without a leader but have one on just for safety sake. if theres a bit of weed about i take the leader off and wade out a bit and barley even cast, almost like leaning forward and releasing the line. if im casting feathers for macks id never go without a leader tho. itll save you your feathers and a hole in someones head.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:04 am Reply with quote Back to top

as everyone else has said, 10lb per oz of lead is the usual formula. I'd suggest getting a tapered leader if you are using a mono mainline. This means the leader reduces from say 60lb breaking strain at the business end down to usually 15lb or 18lb at the end that ties to your mainline. It makes for a safer leader knot as the diameters of the leader and mainline are roughly equal.

I use 15lb Daiwa Sensor mainline combined with 50lb or 60lb tapered leaders, depending on the reel I'm using. The Sensor line is good value, bought in bulk spools and costs about 7.50 for something like 800yds.

Hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Tapered leaders are a very expensive way to use a leader. If you can tie a standard leader knot well, you will no longer need them. The 10lb per oz rule is a good one to follow, but the 80lb SUfix Surf is the way to go for me - even if I am chucking 5oz. The line diameter is small compared to other leaders so the knot is still quite small.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I've never found it substantially dearer than standard leaders, I got mine from Ebay and it was cheap enough. And as the tip ring on one of my rods is a very small diameter, I found using the tapered leaders means the smaller knot doesn't get caught, also doesn't shred your thumb as much! Will have to look out for the Suffix Surf though and compare.
 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hi Guys

I just want to say thank you for all of the input. I think from what I've learned here I am not actually going to need a shockleader as I lure fish lightly with a 1oz weight and 15lb line.

But I've learned something which is great big grin

Thanks again

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 12:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

You should still use a shockleader even though the weight is not that heavy - a shockleader will still take the initial shock out of the cast.

Try 20lb Amnesia - I use it for my light gear when flicking out for bass.
 
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