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savo
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hi all,

have bought some varivas shockrig that was recommended on here - is there a set formula for how long the leader should be ?

Also got some Gemini Genie riglinks, have checked that they fit ok thru rings.

Plan is to join leader to mainline with Allbright Knot, and join leader to riglink with a Trilene knot. Can assemble this in the house, then should be able to quickly and easily swap over rigs on the beach.

hope you seasoned sea-anglers can confirm that is a decent plan ? :-)

Ta
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Length of rod+drop+six turns on the reel (not turns of the handle).

10lb leader strength for every oz of lead-eg 6oz=60lb leader.

There's some animated knots for this sort of thing on the menu to the left. I use an overhand in the leader with a grinner for the mainline and a grinner for the clip at 'tother end.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks Dunc - that sounds straight forward !

Apart from.... how long should the "drop" be ? ( Sorry i am a novice confused )
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My rod is specced for 4 to 6 oz, so i bought 60lb leader.
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Good question. I allow an extra 10 foot but I suppose it depends on your casting technique
 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ok Dunc cheers again..... sounds like around 2 times rod length then.

Cant go on my casting technique as i dont have one.... big grin big grin big grin big grin
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

savo with respect to the leader strength i was informed 10lb for every oz of lead then add on a extra 10lb for security, Im sure someone will shoot me down with this comment but thats what ive been told. With the length i agree with duncbooth on that
 
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The only point I would make is that sometime folk tend to forget the terminal tackle and if it's under the shockleader strength then this is where the snap off would take place. It pays to make your own and then you know the breaking strain of the terminal tackle so to avoid any mishaps.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I agree with rabbi, I use 80lb leader and rig body, as i very rarely cast any heavier than 6oz, and it gives me a bit of security with knot strength and for crimps holding the snood in place on my rigs.
I was always told that crimps weaken the line a little, and a knot never has the same strength as the line it is tied from.
I may be wrong, but I have never had a snap off other than the day i forgot to click my reel out of gear, Full blown power cast, and snapped an 80lb leader and twisted the cage of my abu 6500 out of shape. Luckily the lead went seawards, but the reel bit the dust!! crying crying
 
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eccles
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

As is well known on this forum, I do not always use shockleader. If I am just doing 40 - 60 yd lobs with a 3 or 4 oz sinker, I find that a decent 20 lb BS line is adequate. On the other had if I am chucking a 5 oz sinker out for distance using my usual modified OTG powercast then both the rig body and SL have to be 60 lb to avoid crack offs.
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i use 18ft of 60lb leader sometimes casting 7oz full power with off the ground style and havent had any problems
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Has anyone noticed this was posted Nov 15th 2007 and has nearly 2,000 views, ive heard of raking over old coals devil devil devil devil
 
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well you are right MM but there are still an awful lot of folk out there who don't know about this stuff (I see them on our local beaches from time to time) plus a constant stream of newbies who want to learn.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:01 am Reply with quote Back to top

manic_muppet wrote:
Has anyone noticed this was posted Nov 15th 2007 and has nearly 2,000 views, ive heard of raking over old coals devil devil devil devil



Just to drag it up again - the thread is titeled '12 foot beachcaster - what length shockleader ?' and no one answered it properly anyway......
 
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 8:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

12ft rod then 12ft shockleader plus 5 to 6 turns on the reel.

lenght of rod plus the turns sugested on the reel. Cheers keith big grin
 
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